Question:The Qur’an in several places says that Iblis was an angel, but in Surah Kahf it says that Iblis was a Jinn. Isn’t this a contradiction in the Qur’an?Answer:1. Incidence of Iblis and Angels mentioned in the Qur’an The story of Adam and Iblis is mentioned in the Qur’an in various places in which Allah (swt) says, “We said to the angels bow down to Adam: and they bowed down: not so Iblis“.This is mentioned in:Surah Al Baqarah chapter 2 verse 43
Surah Al ‘Araf chapter 7 verse 17
Surah Al Hijr chapter 15 verses 28-31
Surah Al Isra chapter 17 verse 61
Surah Ta Ha chapter 20 verse 116
Surah Sad chapter 38 verses 71-74
But in Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 the Qur’an says:“Behold! We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam.” they bowed down except Iblis He was one of the Jinns.”
[Al-Qur’an 18:50]2. Arabic Rule Of Tagleeb The English translation of the first part of the verse ‘We said to the angels bow down to Adam: they bowed down except Iblis’, gives us the impression that Iblis was an angel. The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic. In Arabic grammar there is a rule known as Tagleeb, according to which, if the majority is addressed, even the minority is included. If for example, I address a class containing 100 students of whom 99 are boys and one is a girl, and if I say in Arabic that the boys should stand up, it includes the girl as well. I need not mention her seperately.Similarly in the Qur’an, when Allah addressed the angels, even Iblis was present, but it is not required that he be mentioned separately. Therefore according to that sentence Iblis may be an angel or may not be an angel, but we come to know from Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 that Iblis was a Jinn. No where does the Qur’an say Iblis was an angel. Therefore there is no contradiction in the Qur’an.3. Jinns have free will and can disobey Allah Secondly, Jinns have a free will and may or may not obey Allah, but angels have no free will and always obey Allah. Therefore the question of an angel disobeying Allah does not arise. This further supplements that Iblis was a Jinn and not an angel.
Thanks for this post. People often don’t understand the nuances of Arabic. They try to take a translation and don’t understand that it does no justice to the Arabic version.
just a sincere curious question – what is a jinn? Is it a human? or something else?
V.good question aullori. We are muslims & being muslim we do believe that there is another creation of ALLAH (God) on earth to whome we cannot see but they are not called human ther are Jinn. Jinn is a proper name for them. They are made up of fire & they are having good & bad comunity among them same like humans. hope you get your answer. If not ask me about it again.
Thank you for the quick reply Jugnoo – that is facinating. I do understand what you mean. I was asking to examine the contrasts and similarities between our beliefs. Very facinating. Thank you so much! (it seems similar in case your wondering)
Hi Jugnoo,
I just found this post and I was wondering whether the explanation from the Bible could fit in this case. According to the Bible, a jinn or a demon is a fallen angel. That means they were angels who rebelled against God and were banished from heaven. Satan, the one called Iblis I believe, was the one who rebelled and the other angels who followed him all are to receive the same punishment when the times are complete.
The Quran and the Bible have some similarities. I believe there are some things not specifically mentioned in the Quran, such as how could Iblis be angel and jinn, because they were clarified in the Torah, Zaboor and Injeel. This explanation which I give you is from these books… so in the Bible even demons are sometimes called as angels (fallen angels who are liable to judgement) where as an angel sent by God is referred to as an angel of the Lord.
God bless you!
Diana
Thank you so much Diana. Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding. In fact, Muslims are to read up on all of the books. May peace be with you.
Anytime, Addy. If you ever want company in reading the other books gimme a shout. I love the Bible
Peace and blessings
Diana
I have 2 photos of the same jinn.
taken in New York City.
I also have communication with it.
Does anyone out there know of anyone else with photos ?
I believe i have the only photos ever taken.
Are there any collectors interested in proving previous paintings as being authentic ?
My photos can prove this.
email me back .
…G
Peace be to all of you, my concern is only with the muslim version of the Jinn. I am a Muslim and a scholar of Quran and Hadees. I want to clarify that Jinn are not fallen angels as said in the bible. Such words of the bible are not from God but the additions of my rebellious forefathers ( the jews, I am of Jewish descent) and the ignorant european translators. In Islam God has not made it in the nature of Angels to rebel. They can not even think to do that. Rather their whole existence is a continuous prayer and worship of God, even the Archangels do not cease in God’s worship, nor tire of it or feel any arrogance about it. As for Jinn, God says they are biengs created form ” the flameless fire”, created before man and their Adam “Iblis” or Lucifer in the bible was raised high by God for his knowledge and devoted worship of God but since he was created of fire he felt it humiliating to prostrate to man so was cast out. The jinn though much powerful than the mortal body of man cannot have any power over man except if God lets it be so the complete obedience ( Islamic way of life ) and his worship makes man mightier than the Jinn though the soul of man is mightier than the Jinn and is closer in nature to Angels as it is made of light. The Jinn had their own messengers from God all Jinns but their last was a human, the last prophet of God Mohammad Peace be upon him. If the jinn lead their lives as muslims ( remember Islam did not begin with Muhammad but with Adam and infact it finished the correct word perfected with Muhammad so all the prophets were muslims accroding to our faith) God promises them Paradise. A few interesting facts about the Jinn are: water attracts them. They roam more easily even amongst humans at dusk and dawn. God has forbidden them to go near humans so when they do those are the Non muslim Jinn and usually end up in making the famous ghost stories. The world has its sentinel Angels and scholars have said that if it was not so the greater devils (jinn) would have torn apart the world. There are verses and prayers stated by God and his prophet to safeguard against the Jinn. The prophet once gave a serman to Jinns from Iraq and while delivering it he drew a circle around himself on the ground whilst saying the paryers cited above against the Jinn because though they would not harm him but he was accompanied by one of his Shabas (friends) and the Jinn were jewish ( from the time of moses). There are many more facts but i cannot write more here. As for all the things i have stated they are only from three sources: The Holy Quran, Sahih (proven to be true) sayings of the prophet and Islamic scholars. Some words for my Christian and non muslim friends, please understand that we muslims believe in the bible, torah,talmud and psalms and books of all the prophets from Adam to Muhammad but we also believe that the actual Bible and Torah are not the bibles and torahs of today. Almost all historians can clarify that for you and you can find that for yourselves among the many mistakes of the new testament, for example earth being the center of the universe, mistakes of mathematics and so on. One last important thing to all my muslim friends: The prophet has said not to read from the books of the christians or the jews until we have read the Holy Quran and understand its meanings. The reason being that not very word in them comes from God and the mischief of the corrupted men has been so great that even unwary muslims might be lost to their lies. For an example the verses of bible that say Lot and his daughters had sex. Outrageous, for a chosen man of God, a messenger and his noble daughters would never do such a great evil. And what about the thousands of mistakes in the bible even mistakes of simple mathematics (if you want to know more there a more than many websites out there, just type “bible mistakes” in google, you’ll be surprised).
Dear Gary
Hello !
I can see you have two photos of the same jinn.
colud you please send them to me and allow if i can show them to my students as i am about to teach them on the subject.
shall appreciate
Akil
Hi Gary,
My brother has started getting visits from a few Jinn and has taken photos of them on two mobile phones. He has taken over 900 pictures of them and I have seen them. They are not fakes. He is going to Dubai then Morocco to try to rid himself of them (exorcism or something like that, although I don’t think he is possessed) as they constantly bother him touching him and being around him. They don’t like being photographed as soon as they see the camera they hide from view. So he catches them by suprise by being quick with the camera, hiding it from view, or using the mirror. I swear to god this is true as I have seen the pictures(which are undisputable) and I know my brother to be one of the most rational of people. We will download the pictures onto the computer and could send you some if you want. Can you send me copies of your pictures. One word of advice when taking these pictures. Use negatives mode if your camera has this as it shows more detail. Our pictures show full detail of face,eyes, nose hair etc taken in our family home. It makes your hairs stand up on end.
Mohsin
Sorry,
The above message is from me to Gary Toro not from him.
Mohsin
Hello.
I can not show my photos on the internet,
nore can I email then to anyone.
As http://www.photo.net has many idiots ( on an administrators level).
My experience with them is such.
Too much information can sometimes be too much
of a burden.
I will eventually publish my photos, my collection
is growing. So, please wait.
Thank you.
…Gary
I understand Gary.
Take care.
Mohsin
Could you please email me the photos of jinn and tell me whether they are capable of helping people out with their problems if called upon them and also I would like to know how to make a connection with them and whether it is a sin or not. Please reply. Thanks.
Kati,
The question of whether it is a sin or not to contact jinn depends on your religious orientation. As a muslim I believe it is a sin to try to summon the jinn, and getting them to help out with problems borders on black magic so I personally believe it is sinful to try to contact them, but others might believe differently. My brother has jinn visiting him pretty much daily uninvited and he sees this as a problem which he is trying to resolve (they need to exist separately from humans). We now have in the region of 2000 different photos of them but I don’t think I can send any of them to you as I don’t know you and there is nothing you can offer in return by the way of exchange of information/photos.
Hope this helps.
Mohsin
My mother is getting involved with Quiji boards a lot and I’m worried about getting Jinni fond of coming as they please, I already asked a few to leave my room after I watched my cat look at something eventfully off the edge of my bed. I’ve had 2 show them selves to me when I was younger and messing with dark arts. If they show them selves or just come around can I make any use of them while they are here?
Thanks,
May peace be with all of your souls.
Rick,
I have never heard anything good come out of the use of Quiji boards. Its your choice, but I wouldn’t have thought it would be desirable for them to come and go as they please and for them to interact with us. They are invisible until they decide to show themselves to us. This means that they can see us even though we can’t see them.
I would be very interested to hear of how they showed themselves to you when you were younger and what they did when they did. We can compare this to my brother’s experiences which he is getting now. I have had some personal experiences too, although not recently.
Did the Jinn leave your room when you asked them to?
Best wishes
Mohsin
My cousin-in-law visited at the beginning of the year and he and my wife were telling me about vampires that lived in Lahore (Pakistan). They said there was a horde of them that lived behind the train lines. They described them as mute revenants that would chase people who had wandered too close to their areas at night. He also described his brother as having had a somnambulistic contact with them after playing around with black magic symbology (i think he found this symbology in North Africa).
Both my wife and cousin-in-law were adamnant that these vampires were real, and insisted that his brother had been found on some mornings in a near-by cemetary asleep on the ground after being summoned by the creatures.
I wondered if these were not also Jinn by nature? Except that they told me that they were physical creatures. I simply cannot find any information about this and hence wonder if it’s tales isolated to the people of the area?
Can anyone help?
Aamir,
I believe that although Jinn, are invisible and non-solid (or very low density) in nature they can materialise themselves in a solid-like form of any shape. Some say that they are “energy” in composition and I tend to agree with this description. Jinn do generally tend to and prefer to inhabit places not inhabitted by humans such as cemeterys. Those that interact and bother humans are not good jinn and might even be referred to as satanic. This is what I believe and so your story seems plausible to me although I don’t believe in the blood drinking vampire tales. I do not know enough about symbology to comment on this ritual.
Mohsin
Thanks Moshin, for your reply.
I agree with you on many points. I don’t know a lot about Jinn but your description is what i had come to understand. With that in mind, i have always been of the opinion that my cousin-in-law and wife were simply recalling too many poorly made horror films when telling me about vampires in Pakistan (their descriptions did not even bear any similarity with the old Sub-Continent tales of vetalas). Their conviction though, i believe, is a deep-rooted superstition and respect for the supernatural.
And the stories of his brothers’ dabbling in black magic always seemed a bit cliched – he never described the symbology used (apart from refering to studying it in Africa, which would suggest to me it would be the symbology of Vodou), but i had the impression it was the tired cliche again of movie pentagrams as opposed to the more archaic necronomican patterns.
Anyway, if anyone does know of any local legends (that are not rehashes of Internet tales) of vampires in the Sub-Continent i’m all ears
Mohsin from croydon,
My interest was when I read that your brother has to travel all the way to Moroco and or Dubai to get rid of the Jinn. To help him or in this case anyone else (genuine cases only), please get in touch with me, InshaAllah we may be able to help out without him travelling anywhere (most of the times). my email is abdulghafurtz@yahoo.com. my phone is +255773484384 and we are based in Dar Es Salaam and Zanzibar, Tanzania.
Abdul,
My brother is back from Dubai. He was doing very good there, praying 5 times a day and reading the quuran after each one. He still sees the jinn, both the good ones and bad ones. They pray next to him in the mosque. The bad ones dare not come near him now.
I think the problem is resolved now. But he will always see them. I think that he has good jinn (salahinn) protecting him.
a salaam u alaikum
i do not know what will i do if i come across any,,, guess i’ll follow ‘live and let live’, and ‘let sleeping dogs lie’